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In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/5/2006 8:17:32 PM   
MeganL

 

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Hi Hi,

I am new to the forum, so this inquiry probably has been posted many times before me, however I dare to post. I'm currently at an in-house creative department. I'm starting to freak out and think I probably should move on considering I've been there for about 3 years. Now, it is probably a result of the corporate brainwashing that agency is better than in-house (why else would we give them lots of $$$ to work on the good projects and then hand them off to the in-house group to fix), but has being an in-house designer damned me? I have a few friends who worked at an agency and had limited projects (phone cards, how painful for them). I know I've been lucky in that I've been able to do packaging, brochures and even recently had an environmental design project. Also as the lowest member of the group, I have been able to create whatever I have wanted to, no art direction from my senior designers...only until a marketing person or whoever says they like blue and that they can't read the font (or read, but I'm just saying).

So, thoughts? I fear that in-house has sheltered me from a lot of stuff, but at the same time, I've learned a lot too and feel that my skills can be utilized in other environments. I don't want to be damned...that would suck. :P
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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/6/2006 10:55:09 AM   
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I'm optimistic about your situation. You're not damned. At least not because you work in-house. How good you are at what you do - is up to you.

Your subject is definitely an old rivalry, but that doesn't define your situation. I look at my own experience of working in-house over the past 4.5 years as a major highlight of my career, and I've produced some of my best work from it. I'm looking forward to another great year as an in-house Creative.

Good luck with whichever way your career takes you.

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/6/2006 11:12:21 AM   
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Well, I'm new to the forum too and I'm glad to share some of my experiences.  I have worked in a design studio, as a freelancer, and currently work in the corporate world.  Making the transition to a large company was new to me, but my experiences there have furthered myself as a designer more than working in a studio. When I first entered into the organization (I was the first in-house designer hired) all design work was done through studios in New York.  I got involved in those projects and eventually showed the company the benefits to getting in-house work over the studios.

You'll have to push your knowledge around the company and show that you know the business of design, and if you can repurpose some of what I'm saying here, you'll have a greater chance of saving the company money and time in the longrun. (Which is almost always the easiest selling point.)

Off the top of my head, there are three MAJOR benefits that a company gains when bringing in full time designers, and has happened in my organization.

Communication is more active when the designer is there in the initial meetings of a marketing campaign.  Usually the company would go to the studio and say that "We decided to do a website and promote it through some emails." The studios would comply and deliver the work.  Having myself in the initial meetings helped to push what they were really looking for in the first place, and I was offering solutions that actually fit their vision, which is often lacked when using outside designers.  Sometimes I couldn't handle all the work and would have to use outside agencies, but with a clearing understanding of what the final approach, concept, and deliverable would be.

In-house designers become more intimate with the business than the outside designers could ever be.  When first meeting with groups about their campains, I would ask for all the marketing materials that they have ever produced in the past to get a better understanding of the clients/target audience and would followup with questions about their business before ever jumping into a design or idea.  This is somewhat of a surprise to almost all of them, but leaves them with a feeling that I have become part of their team and not just someone executing their ideas. In fact, do a creative brief on a project to really surprise them. They've soon learned to come to me before starting any project so that I can offer them the best ideas and solutions to fit their message.

Lastly, time and money, the biggest selling points.  Outside companies are charging prices that include overhead, lunches, phone calls, every single edit, the list goes on.  Example: A team in my company got a quote to do a website for a large event from an agency for $20,000 that would include about 5 or 6 pages.  I produced the site in about 5 days that included every feature they requested from the agency.  I then went above and beyond their discussion and added in printable presentations and streaming videos and audio from the event as a followup to those that attended. And we produced it at a fraction of the cost.

So my advice would be to get yourself involved with the people around the company, get to know their business and message more and always let them know that you are the person to involve when brainstorming ideas. You have the best answers to their questions and you know the correct solutions to match their message. And if you need to bring in a studio to do some of that work, you'll know exactly what their strengths are so that you can combine them with your efforts.

Hope this helps and please feel free to ask more questions....

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/7/2006 10:08:34 AM   
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Interesting find this post! I'm in this boat right now! I've been w/ my company for 4.5 years...and I am so ready to move on! I've done In-house now for about 6 years...and I am tired of it. I do freelance on the evenings & weekends however which fills my creative needs, unlike doing corporate brochures, catalogs, trade show graphics and such...for marketing the same products year in and out...i'm just bored I guess. I feel like I'm at the point in my career that if I don't personally move on, I'll be burying myself deeper and not move forward. If it weren't for my freelancing stuff I think I would go crazy here! Freelancing has allowed me to create a diverse portfolio which showcases not only corporate design work for the industrial industry, but also shows my love of music - posters, flyers, cd art, merch....as I'd really like to be doing that type of design working at a design studio w/ clients in the music/entertainment industry (Tough industry - very cut throat i've learned), or possibly a record label, or music marketing firm. It can be tough to find that dream job...but I think it's about time I gain the confidence I need to go after it!

So while I think that in-house design has its place, I am personally ready to move down my career path, as Like I said, I feel like my creative potentials are being held back by staying here. I think it's a great experience, but if you have been at your company for 3 years, and are feeling the "burn" and "itch" and unhappiness of being there, like me, then you know it's time to move on. I come into work feeling drained, uncreative, and well, I just dread it. Maybe if I had a boss that knew anything about design and marketing it would be different, but this dept. isn't run correctly, and my suggestions have not been taken into account...they are very stuck in their ways...and my boss has seniority so I think thats hurting me more...ugh i am starting to vent, sorry! Just wanted to share my thoughts!

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/7/2006 8:59:23 PM   
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Thanks everyone. I feel not so damned. I do feel a little itchy at my company, but there are some good ideas proposed to make better use of my place in the organization...yeah, definitely doing the PR round the building and being a resource is really important (the info is actually quite reminiscent of the HOW conference this past year in Vegas, was anyone there? I was!). I think my group is in that spot right now where if we could really promote ourselves, we'd probably get some good work next year (considering we've got mad-crazy budget cuts going on, no one can aford out of house too much). For now, I suppose I'm okay. I think it is also the fear being only a few years out of college, you get nervous...I still have a lot to learn, especially web and multimedia, but I should take advantage of what my company provides (tuition reimbursement) and learn more. Thank you fellow designers. I feel better, I am not alone :)

PS
I got a funny shirt today from a JupiterImages rep that says "Design is my life" except the design is crossed out so it says "Revisions are my life"...I might wear it to work next week...who am I kidding, I won't. 

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/10/2006 7:58:49 PM   
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It really has nothing to do with whether you're an in-house creative or not.  It has to do with the working environment you're in.  Put me to work in the in-house creative department for Nike or Sony any day. :P  So it really has to do with the creative synergy where you're working and if that's the right place for you.  There are economical and social issues with each. 

This is my personal comparison chart:

In-house:
  • better organized
  • slower processes, longer process of approvals
  • creativity can be inconsistent with lulls of boredom
  • better comraderie with employees
  • job security and stability
  • good for portfolio but huge volume of work to choose from
  • same job role/responsibilities
  • does not necessarily require meeting with clients
  • standard work hours

Ad Agency:
  • fast pace
  • can be chaotic
  • a lot of competition and politics
  • very creative
  • lack of job security and stability
  • great for portfolio - potential exposure to a lot of high end brands
  • varying job responsibilities/roles
  • requires ability to present/interface with clients
  • long days, long nights, and even some weekends

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/11/2006 12:17:55 PM   
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quote:



Ad Agency:
  • fast pace
  • can be chaotic
  • a lot of competition and politics
  • very creative
  • lack of job security and stability
  • great for portfolio - potential exposure to a lot of high end brands
  • varying job responsibilities/roles
  • requires ability to present/interface with clients
  • long days, long nights, and even some weekends


Your Agency description bares a striking resemblance to much of my In-House experience ...but it also matches up pretty well with my Ad Agency freelance exposure...

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 12/29/2006 2:21:15 PM   
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Sounds like the bigger question should be "when is it a good time to leavve a job"? I have always broken it down to these three guides:

1. Am I learning anything new in technology
2. Am I learning anything about the business
3. Am I learning anythin new in design (ie pushing myself or getting new projects)

Ask yourself these each week, if you can answer yes to all three, your in a great job (for now). If you can only answer yes to two, time to start looking. Can't answer yes to any of them you are in a very bad place, grab some samples of your work and quit- NOW!

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 1/1/2007 4:00:35 PM   
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I might be posting a bit late in the game for this thread, but I'm also an in-HOWser.

I've been learing a lot from my job and it pushes me lots of different directions.  I just can't help but feel that I'm missing something.  But like attackinteractive said, i don't think its about being in-house or not.  its about the job and where YOU are professionally and personally at the time you have the job.

I also like texasdesign's thoughts on checking your growth at all times.  I think that's probably a good rule, in my case I had to add one: Are you getting enough feedback and/or appreciation from the people around you?
In my job I'm constantly learning and getting pushed to expand my horizons but only by one member in our creative group.   I don't have any other feedback.  i have no idea if what I'm learning and doing is up to par or just good enough because there's no one else capable? (I'm a sole designer and fresh out of college)  I know I'm not at the level I could be, but there's no one who cares, they're just happy with whatever I do.  Sounds good, but is REALLY bad.  When they don't like whatever I do they just give it to an outside agency or collaborator. 

I personally would love to start as a Jr. Designer and work my way up.  Then I could learn and work and have some one constantly checking me.  Some people aren't like that, some people would love to have total control right away..... that's why i think it all depends on you and your situation.


ps....I'm leaving my current job this summer.

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RE: In-House vs. agency, etc. - 1/6/2007 11:12:34 PM   
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I'm in-house too and have been for all of my career (8 years). I'm doing a bit of freelancing on the side nowadays. Like others mentioned, I do tend to wonder if I've led the sheltered life in terms of design. Or that I've missed out on something by not having the agency or design studio experience. But then I hear of the long hours some people put in at agencies, etc and that doesn't appeal to me either. I do like the variety I get at the in-house job. I do like the responsibility (although sometimes it does seem like too much). I've had the itch to move on for quite some time now, but haven't really tried too hard to move yet. Unfortunately, I have become too comfortable in my routine of this job. I do have great flex time, the people are good overall. But I still feel like I could be doing more. Doing better design. Helping people with design somehow. Yet all the job postings I encounter just don't seem to be what I'm looking for. Not that I think I can verbalize what I'm looking for at this time. I guess something a bit off the beaten path. Sorry if I've rambled on too long here, it is a bit late for me, but I did have to add to this thread even if I'm a bit late in posting...

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