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Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 5:59:28 PM
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mayhemstudios
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I was looking through Craigslist and found this post. I love this guy. LOL
Here is the original post.
Update:
The Craigslist post has been deleted but I reposted it here. Looks like other Designers in other states are also reposting on Craigslist in their cities.
Every day, there are more and more CL posts seeking "artists" for everything from auto graphics to comic books to corporate logo designs. More people are finding themselves in need of some form of illustrative service.
But what they're NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.
To those who are "seeking artists", let me ask you; How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? ...none?
More than likely, you don't know any. Otherwise, you wouldn't be posting on craigslist to find them.
And this is not really a surprise.
In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.
So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?
Would you offer a neurosurgeon the "opportunity" to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him "a few bucks" for "materials". What a deal!)
Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?
If you answered "yes" to ANY of the above, you're obviously insane. If you answered "no", then kudos to you for living in the real world.
But then tell me... why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?
Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes you look like a twit.
A few things you need to know;
1. It is not a "great opportunity" for an artist to have his work seen on your car/'zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a "great opportunity" for YOU to have their work there.
2. It is not clever to seek a "student" or "beginner" in an attempt to get work for free. It's ignorant and insulting. They may be "students", but that does not mean they don't deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a "student" once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.
3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it's one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their "portfolio". They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It's not compensation. It's their right, and it's a given.
4. Stop thinking that you're giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.
5. Students DO need "experience". But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the "experience" they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother's house when they were seventeen?
If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.
6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some will ask you to "submit work for consideration". They may even be posing as some sort of "contest". These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the "contest", or be "chosen" for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or "spec", work. It's risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely. For more information on this subject, please visit www.no-spec.com.
So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are "spec" gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them.
And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free... please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you're accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.
< Message edited by mayhemstudios -- 1/26/2007 6:55:22 PM >
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 6:07:51 PM
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DarLynn
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Fab post, Cal, might have to nick a bit of it 
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 6:12:23 PM
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mayhemstudios
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I would have but they will probably delete it soon.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 6:16:38 PM
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Pez
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That guy rocks!
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 6:21:02 PM
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jiant
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That is a hilarious post Cal. I didn't realize you had copied it all here until after i read the entire link. Thanks.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 8:19:20 PM
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Rick
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Dang, there is a sweet job in Orange County right now....99.9% or Craigslist blows, but I see a job I likey!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 8:22:49 PM
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mayhemstudios
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I've seen many big companies on Craigslist now.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 9:21:24 PM
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BruceS63
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Great find, Cal. Glad that person posted it on Craig's List.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/22/2007 10:20:38 PM
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megan
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HahahahhaHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha! This guy rocks.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 1:28:55 AM
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ranman
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Ain't it the truth!
I had my car brakes done the other day to the tune of $650. He's a great mechanic and charges $75 an hour. I think it's typical for my area.
Sure it hurts to lay out that kind of dough, but he's good and my car will stop when I want it to.
So why should a designer be any different? What makes our work any less worth the money?
Why is it that you will pour money into your mechanic, your dentist, your plumber...etc., but you balk at paying your graphic designer for something that has the potential to last longer than a new pipe or new brakes and has the power to increase your business?
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 2:07:03 AM
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jeff_bob
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Nice find...I'm gonna have to post this on my blog. LOL
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 2:44:13 AM
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gail8beans
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Amen!
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 3:35:56 AM
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mayhemstudios
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That's a great idea! I think I'll do the same. Everyone should spread it around and forward to friends.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 4:01:17 AM
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Pez
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Cal, you wrote this, didn't you?
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 4:32:50 AM
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mayhemstudios
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Why do people keep on asking me that? Haha
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 5:07:22 AM
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Pez
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Because you are a whore (I mean self-promoter)!
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 5:16:00 AM
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mayhemstudios
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That's Media Ho!
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 5:17:44 AM
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Pez
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Sorry, I will try to keep the appropriate termonology!
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 8:00:04 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: mayhemstudios
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Cal, I don't speak or read Chinese -- what does that translate to in Engl--- oh, I got it, that is the English. My bad.
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RE: Craigslist: Love This Guy! - 1/23/2007 8:00:49 AM
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Cal, thanks for posting that. I just tried to go to the link you posted. Unfortunately, it has been flagged by Craigslist users. They killed it pretty fast.
By Craigslist users doing that, it stengthened my resolve to also post this story on my blog. Is there a by line or credit for the writer?
Update: I have Blogged this story here.
< Message edited by delineate -- 1/23/2007 8:41:50 AM >
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